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Friday, December 20, 2013

GIANTS - NYOBS 22.30

GIANTS

A first word

We all bring baggage into a discussion of a Bible topic; things we already believe, but
sometimes our mind is changed; sometimes we are left confused.
To talk about Giants, we first should explore where they came from.
According to scripture; some Angels rebelled and left their habitations and came to earth.  Whenever angels are seen on earth, they are always seen in the form of a man.


Nephilim
  • Nephilim; Wikipedia; The majority of ancient biblical versions, including the Septuagint, Theodotion, Latin Vulgate, Samaritan Targum, Targum Onkelos and Targum Neofiti interpret the word to mean "GIANTS". - Symmachus translates it as "the violent ones" and Aquila's translation has been interpreted to mean either "the fallen ones" or "the ones falling [upon their enemies]."
  • Scripture clearly states that some angels left their own habitations.
  • “When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them”.  This is a special passage when you realize that daughters of men had always been born to them – It seems at some point, a desire was awakened in the “sons of God” and they took “whoever they chose” to marry with no emphasis on character, but only on beauty, probably marring more than one.
  • These “Fallen” Devine beings are identified as “Sons of God” or Nephilim which took the women of earth in marriage and had sexual intercourse resulting in a hybrid of giants.
  • There is no marriage in heaven, as Devine beings are immortal and therefore there is no need to propagate; to replenish or repopulate as mortals do on earth.
Jude 6 – Some angels left their own habitation.
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. KJV
Gen 6:1-2 – Nephilim known as “The sons of God”
1 When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them,
2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. NIV
Job 1:6 – Satan and the sons of God present themselves
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. KJV
Gen 6:4 – The Nephilim had sex with the women of the earth
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. NIV
Mark 12:25 – No marriage in Heaven
25 When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven NIV
Side Bar
  • The sons of Adam, the Sethites and the Cainites were going in two opposite directions keeping diversely apart physically and also in moral and character distinctions.
  • Some students hold that the Godly line of Seth were actually “the sons of God” and were said to have disobeyed God, by “coming down” from the mountains and breeding with the wicked Cainites thereby producing giants; they conclude that they were not any fallen angels at all,  only disobedient men.
  • Some students of the Bible think that the “bad report” that was brought back by the Israelite spies was actually a “False Report” and that they had not actually seen giants, but were just afraid.
Num 13: 31-33 – Spies - After the flood of Noah - Giants
31 "We can't attack those people; they are stronger than we are."
32 And they spread among the Israelites a bad report about the land they had explored. They said, "The land we explored devours those living in it. All the people we saw there are of great size.
33 We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them." NIV
Giants
  • Nephilim were a people that existed before the flood of Noah and according to what I read existed after the flood also. – So the Nephilim came down at least twice.
  • I know this is reaching, but in the Apocrypha, the Book of Jubilees 7:21–25 states that ridding the Earth of these Nephilim was one of God's purposes for flooding the Earth in Noah's time. The Apocrypha describe the Nephilim as being evil giants.
  • Giants terrorized the Israelites from the time they entered into Canaan until the time of David. - The fearsome race of Rephaims; the Emims, Zamzummims, Anakites, Sabeans, and some Philistines were of great physical statue, large framed and abnormally powerful.
  • King Og, the last of the giant Rephaites, bed was eight feet wide and thirteen feet long
  • There were more giants than you think; scripture says a Philistine Giant named Ishbi-Benob was hell bent on killing David with his new sword, but David was saved by one of his men.
Isa 45:14 – Giants called Sabeans
14 This is what the LORD says: "The products of Egypt and the merchandise of Cush, and those tall Sabeans--they will come over to you and will be yours NIV
2 Sam 21:16-17 – A giant named Ishbi-Benob
16 And Ishbi-Benob, one of the descendants of Rapha, whose bronze spearhead weighed three hundred shekels and who was armed with a new [sword], said he would kill David.
17 But Abishai son of Zeruiah came to David's rescue; he struck the Philistine down and killed him. NIV
Deut 9:2 – Giants called Anakites
2 The people are strong and tall--Anakites! You know about them and have heard it said: "Who can stand up against the Anakites?" NIV
Deut 2:10-11 – Giants called Emims
10 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;
11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims. KJV
Deut 2:20-21 – Giants called Zamzummims
20 That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;
21 A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead: KJV
Deut 3:11 – Giants called Rephaites – Bed 13 feet long
11 (Only Og king of Bashan was left of the remnant of the Rephaites. His bed was made of iron and was more than thirteen feet long and six feet wide. It is still in Rabbah of the Ammonites.) NIV
Josh 18:16 – The Valley of the Giants; The Rephaims
16 The boundary went down to the foot of the hill facing the Valley of Ben Hinnom, north of the Valley of Rephaim.  NIV
Goliath
  • Goliath is never described as a “Giant”, but as a “Champion” that was nine feet tall.   He is thought to have been a descendent of the Rephaims, a race of Giants which had been scattered by the Ammonites and then took refuge among the Philistines.
  • If you remember the story of how David slew Goliath with his sling shot, you may very well remember that he reached down into the brook and picked up five smooth stones.  One to kill Goliath and four more for his brothers if they messed with him.
  • Goliath was over nine feet tall and had four brothers; Ish-benob, Saph, Lahmi, and another un-named brother that had six fingers and six toes.
  • At some point, David and his boys “took them all out”. – No archaeological skeleton remains have ever been found of these giants – They were “totally” decimated. (or never existed)
Deut 2:21 – The Rephaims are compared to the tall Anakites
21 They were a people strong and numerous, and as tall as the Anakites. NIV
Deut 2:20-21 The Rephaims were driven out of their land
20 That too was considered a land of the Rephaites, who used to live there; but the Ammonites called them Zamzummites.
21 They were a people strong and numerous, and as tall as the Anakites. The LORD destroyed them from before the Ammonites, who drove them out and settled in their place. NIV
1 Chron 20:6 – Six fingers and six toes
6 In still another battle, which took place at Gath, there was a huge man with six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot-twenty-four in all.  NIV
1 Sam 17:4 – The Champion Goliath was over nine feet tall
4 A champion named Goliath, who was from Gath, came out of the Philistine camp. He was over nine feet tall. NIV
2 Sam 21:16 – Goliath’s #1 brother Ishbi-benob
16 And Ishbi-benob, which was of the sons of the giant, the weight of whose spear weighed three hundred shekels of brass in weight, KJV
2 Sam 21:18 – Goliath’s #2 brother Saph
18 And it came to pass after this, that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob: then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph, which was of the sons of the giant. KJV
2 Sam 21:19 – Goliath’s #3 brother
19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam. KJV
1 Chron 20:5 – Goliath’s #3 brother name was Lahmi
5 In another battle with the Philistines, Elhanan son of Jair killed Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver's rod.  NIV
2 Sam 21:20 – Goliath’s #4 brother with 6 fingers and toes
20 And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.
KJV
2 Sam 21:22 – These are the four brothers of Goliath
22 These four were born to the giant in Gath, and fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants. KJV

WHAT IF
Sometimes I wonder about; when God placed a mark on Cain that he made him thirteen feet tall,
a giant, so no one would try to kill him. - Thirteen is the Biblical number for Sin, Rebellion and Depravity – It was about this time that scripture starts talking about Giants.
- Just fun thoughts -
Gen 4:15 – Cain gets mark… Maybe he got stretched
15 But the LORD said to him, "Not so; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. NIV 
The Flood
  • It was after the actions of the Nephilim that the earth became corrupt. -  The very next verse says that God was grieved at man’s great wickedness and wanted to start over. 
  • The Nephilim were the prelude to the “Flood of Noah”.
  • It was at this time God prepared to destroy the earth by flood of water and start over.
  • Only nine LIVING people were counted righteous as Methuselah had died just before the flood and Enoch was translated and saved just before the flood, leaving just eight living people; Noah, his wife, their three sons and their three wives to be saved in the Ark.
  • FUN NOTE; Interestingly Methuselah was the oldest man in the Bible, but died before his father… How could that be…? His father was Enoch who did not die, but was taken ALIVE to heaven.
  • TRIVIA - A day is like a thousand years to the Lord; so Methuselah lived 969 years, almost one day of the Lord and Adam and Eve also died before one of God’s days ended, just like He said they would. – “The day that you eat thereof you shall surely die” – No man has ever lived over one “day of the Lord”. - SELAH
Gen 6:5-7 – God was grieved
5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.
6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain.
7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth--men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air--for I am grieved that I have made them." NIV
Gen 5:23-24 - Enoch Translate – didn’t die
23 Altogether, Enoch lived 365 years.
24 Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.  NIV
Gen 5:27 – Methuselah lived 969 years.
27 Altogether, Methuselah lived 969 years, and then he died. NIV
2 Peter 3:8 – A day is like a thousand years to God.
8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. NIV
Gen 2:17 – The day you eat of the tree you will die
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof you shall surely die. KJV
Conclusion

  • In my spirit I want to embrace the scriptures at its face value; in the simplest of terms; which is to say, what it says is what it is
  • Another part of me fully understands the Greek mythology with Gods and Humans cohabitating, which I strongly reject.
  • I want to buy into the concept of the Godly line of Seth inter-marring with the wicked line of Cain, but this does not account for the GIANTS. – Therefore I must embrace the scripture as it is written; fallen Angels cohabitated with the Women of Earth.
  • It is unclear if the “Nephilim” were the “sons of God” that came down or the product of their union with the women; their children, the Giants.
  • Scripture supports that Angels appear on earth and have direct contact with men and even eat food with them.  They are mentioned in the OT 108 times and in the NT 165 times, that’s 273 times.  
  • This is a hard one, with students on both sides of the argument. – Which side did you take?




In the multitude of counselors,
 there is wisdom.
Prov 11:14

 I am grateful for those that went before me providing concepts, ideas, historical information, and scripture verses.  Because of them I can stand on their shoulders and see further than I otherwise ever could have.

All the Women of the Bible – Edith Deen
Antiquity of the JewsFlavius Josephus
Apocrypha; The – Edgar J. Goodspeed
Arithmetic of God; The – Don Kistler
Armageddon-Appointment with Destiny – Grant R. Jeffrey
Bible Almanac; The - Nelson
Bible Dictionary – Harper’s
Bible on the life Hereafter; The – William Hendriksen
Can America Survive? – John Hagee
Countdown to Armageddon, the 1980’s – Hal Lindsay
Dead Sea Scrolls Translated: The – Florentino Garcia Martinez
Escape from Armageddon – Thomas Reed
Exposition of Genesis – H.C. Leupold
Final Battle; The – Hal Lindsey
Final Dawn over Jerusalem – John Hagee
From Daniel to Doomsday – John Hagee
Guide to Survival – Salem Kirban
Illustrated Bible Dictionary – Nelson’s
Illustrated Bible Dictionary; The - Tyndale
In the beginning was the End – Wim Malgo
Islam and the Bible – David Goldmann
Jerusalem Countdown – John Hagee
Late Great Planet Earth; The – Hal Lindsey
Matthew Henry’s Commentary – Zondervan
New International Version Bible – NIV
New international Dictionary of the Bible; The – Douglas & Tenney
New Millennium; The – Pat Robertson
Noah’s Family Tree – Stewart Trott
Pictorial Encyclopedia of the Bible; The - Zondervan
Revelation, the – verse by verse – Oliver B. Green
Revelation of Jesus Christ; TheWalvoord
Revelation Seminar; The – 1975 - Hilton Sutton
Revelation Study; The - 1973 – Dr. Warren Wiersbe
Secrets of the Dead Sea Scrolls – Hugh J. Schonfield
Secret Kingdom; The Pat Robertson
Theomatics – Jerry Lucas
Today’s Dictionary of the Bible – T. A. Gryant
Who’s Who in the Bible - Gardner

Wycliffe Bible Commentary, the – Moody Press

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